My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

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  What is your purpose here?

  by The Scotsman in

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  it is interesting to read the posts here.

  people desperately trying to convince themselves that they were right to give up!.

  is this your purpose in coming here????.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Hello Scotsman,

  I never was a JW. I do have a couple of questions that no JW has properly answered for me. The entire premise that the organization you belong to is guided by Jehovah rests on the assertion that Christ chose the FDS, and the FDS elected the Governing Body.

  Using Watchtower literature from 1914 to 1933.....When, where, how and why did the FDS elect the Governing Body ?

  Did the anointed from the FDS class all gather at the polo grounds during one of the conventions of the 1920's and vote on doctrine and organizational changes, elect a Governing body, then instruct them on how to carry out the doctrinal and organizational changes?

  If you backtrack through the literature, it appears that the Governing Body has always elected themselves, thus appointing themselves spokespeople for the FDS.

  Using Watchtower literature from 1914 to 1933.....When, where, how and why did the FDS elect the Governing Body ?

  I cannot proceed to step B (starting to believe that this is an organaztion directed by Jehovah) until this most fundamental question is answered.

  Thanks in advance for your comments
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  What?!

  by Amanda001 in

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  well, today i came home from work and i found some pamphlet from a jehovah's witness on my doorstep.

  i began to read it because before i state what i believe i think it is only fair that i find out some info.

  it was the flyer about the end of false religion.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Brilliant.....you not them. Welcome!
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Shalom to you as well!
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Easyshi,

  I happen to think that because of cultural differences, a sustainable democratic system in most Muslim countries is improbable. I think that those who promoted that idea were wishful thinkers. The minute a democratically elected Palestinian force came to power that we didn't approve (Hamas) we immediately cut funding to them.

  On this we agree, there has been a lot of needless and unfortunate loss of life. It is not the course that I would have chosen. As US citizen we are free to cast my ballot and my conscience. I hope you do the same.

  It is not the leaders that suffer the most, it is the people.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Here's the problem in a nutshell. It is why going to college and studying history is so important.

  Humans and wars have existed from the beginning of time.

  The Muslims have gone to war for centuries.

  The Middle East has a particularly interesting recent history as regards westerners (US and Brits) and Muslims

  The US has a very predictable pattern of behaviour in its history. Whether you agree or not, it is a pattern.

  The Muslim countries were warned not to harbor terrorists.

  Predictable. Absolutely.

  I guess the history lesson is that "You shouldn't mess with the US".
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  `i guess maybe the history lesson is, don`t mess with the US`- that is exactly the type of arrogance and complacency that gets US in trouble. They are so confidant that they are ok, that they don`t think that anything will affect them, but look at 9/11? These countries may not have the latest weaponry, but they are using other methods to get their point across, and they are getting horrific results! The US needs to start eating humble pie, and stop bullying as it will come back on them Bigtime.

  Upon reconsidering....I agree, I was being too polite.

  I should have said. Any country that harbors terrorists is open game and the US will hunt them down and kill them. If any Muslim leader has half a brain he will help flush terrorists out and not support any terrorist groups within his country. Given the history of the US in these matters it is certain they will use all means neccessary to achieve this goal.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Ohhhhhhhhhhh, many Arabs view lying as acceptable. That makes a lot of sense. So, it is appropriate for us to lie to cause death and destruction because of that premise. That is a very solid position. I'd love my son or daughter to be blown to hell because the "liar Bush felt it was Appropriate to start a war based on lies, because the Arabs lie." Sign me up today!!! Man that really makes us the Beacon of Morality. You could be my leader anytime. (I'm bowing down) Can I register for the draft???

  Who ever said war is Moral?

  As you stated earlier

  Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control

  I think you make Pres. Bush's case for why force is neccessary. It is because the Muslim leaders who harbored and supported terrorism did not and will not condemn it. This is his entire premise. Well stated!
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  He sure did, with gas, and bombs, and planes stamped Made in the USA. Hell he was our friend as long as he did what we wanted. That war material was bought from someone and had the blessing of someone, Duh! And don't forget he still never attacked the US...Hell, remember that picture of Ol' Saddam and Rumi taken back in the day, both smilin' like Chesser Cats...They looked like Buds to me, what happened?..

  As an individual, you look out for your best interests, correct? The US looks out for its best interests as well. All countries do, and that is why you do not deny that given the chance a Muslim superpower would rule the world by force. Its within human nature.

  What happened in the Middle East with the US? It's pretty simple.Back in the late 40's-50's we helped bring the Shah to power, then years later when a coup took place by the fundamentalists, the CIA helped he Shah get back into power. So naturally when things came to a head in the 1970's, the group that the Shah had suppressed (the fundamentalists with their leader the Ayatollah) mounted a coup and came to power. Then they turned the retoolled the printing presses used for printing money that were identical to the ones used in the US and they started printing counterfeit US dollars. We know because we sold the Shah them. For most of the 90's American dollars was the main currency traded in the streets of the Middle East. That is one of the main reasons that we changed the 100's. 50's and 20's. BTW the other country that was notorious for doing this (counterfeiting US dollars) after 2000 was North Korea. The US was shut out and began to sell arms to Iraq, because they started a war with our other current enemy Iran.

  Then when Saddam invaded Kuwait he became our enemy.

  Then when 9/11 happened and no Muslim countries condemned the terrorism and violence, the US set out to find and eliminate terrorist groups and regimes that were unfriendly to the US and supported terrorist groups. Masharif had to go along with us if he wanted to stay in power. He was smart. Saddam was not. The US can be loyal friends to those who are loyal to us, and we can be a tough foe.

  I guess maybe the history lesson is, don't mess with the US.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  As you stated earlier

  Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control

  I think you make Pres. Bush's case for why force is neccessary. It is because the Muslim leaders who harbored and supported terrorism did not and will not condemn it. This is his entire premise. Well stated!

  You know I did forget... I remember now, Bush was elected Chief of Police for the world. Him and the great coalition of the willing (lol) were the only ones to see the imminent danger of Iraq. What a visionary!!! He was so smart that he even paid others to agree to allow him to come and bring his Army. This is such a joke and a very bad one at that. Watch your local news, the body counts and lost money on all sides is rising by the minute..Mission Accomplished!!! --What A Fool!!!

  The fools are the Muslim leaders who did not condemn the terrorists in their midst! The Muslim culture despite your posts is quite different than the Western world. Many Arabs view lying as a perfectly acceptable bartering tool (if you know Arabs, then you know this statement is true).

  You defend a culture and way of thinking that I think you know little about. If the powerful Muslim countries could, they would rule the world by force. We merely beating them to the punch and diminishing their capabilites to do so.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Were there that many being deposited on the streets before we showed up? And let's not forget the thousands we vaporized day in and day out. We aren't much better if you look at it. Saddam was bad but over 600,000 have been killed and many thousands wounded since this immoral war was started. Our presence was a catalyst for this. Now we stand around and wonder why there are so many people dying?

  We don't sit around and wonder why so many are dying. It is your Muslim brothers that are killing each other in sectarian violence. The underlying nature of this region has been exposed much like Bosnia in the 90's.

  During the Iraq/Iran combined war estimates of death are on the order of around a million. Saddam himself slaughtered and gassed hundreds of thousands of his own people during his reign.

  Muslim's killing Muslim's should not be blamed on Americans.